Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby Elmslie Ender » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:46 am

With Barnet’s view that they should be in the big league, they will probably see their match against Stevenage as a bigger game.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby worruz » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:16 pm

Elmslie Ender wrote:With Barnet’s view that they should be in the big league, they will probably see their match against Stevenage as a bigger game.

I think you're right. I know for a fact that they did have a big rivalry previously.

Stevenage had a big rivalry with Woking as well going back to the late 80s and throughout the 90s. Nothing to do with geography obviously, it was just that they played each other a lot in big games and a mutual dislike grew.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby worruz » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:20 pm

On reflection and shoot me down if it's nonsense but with hindsight maybe it would have been better to build a basic ground and bar quickly and hope to build it up as we went along?
I know we didn't know the people paying the builders were going to go tits up and if the opportunity to get a decent ground built was there then take it but surely the main thing was getting us in there and playing.

No ones fault as hindsight is 20/20 vision.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby BornundertheElmslie » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:32 pm

Worth reminding ourselves of the joint press releases and FAQs published at the time Barnet won the bid for the site and the assurances made by TK for Wealdstone's future at PEPF, a key factor in them being awarded the site. Barnet were not the only organisation bidding for it..
http://www.wealdstonefc.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=90

Also, seeing as though I don't think the club have ever had a response from TK on this, I hope our club officials turn down any matchday hospitality he offers..
https://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/sport/football/wealdstone-s-stadium-plea-to-barnet-chairman-1-2278365
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby charlie » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:53 pm

Tony kleanthous has completely airbrushed Wealdstone from the development of PEPFs or.. his name ..Hive.

Its all just fantastic what Kleanthous has achieved according to him.

Agree club officials should not take hospitality from Kleanthous at PEPF, as for hospitality at The Vale he is more than welcome to come into the ground.

All depends on Government restrictions, can see this game home/away played early doors with poor attendances.... Is this man not on the Conference board of decision makers?
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby worruz » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:34 pm

Kleanthous and Barnet do what’s best for Kleanthous and Barnet.

Is that so strange?
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby charlie » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:33 pm

I think you will find Kleanthous does whats best for him.... Barnet are a side issue.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby worruz » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:59 pm

charlie wrote:I think you will find Kleanthous does whats best for him.... Barnet are a side issue.


Isn't that what I said?

Good for him.

Is anyone surprised by that? He was certainly NEVER going to do what was best for Wealdstone FC.

That's the real world folks.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby Renard » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:17 pm

BornundertheElmslie wrote:So after 32 years Stones and Barnet will lock horns again in league competition and as peers. But is there any derby match in English football that has a sub plot like this one?

When the Stones were relegated from the Conference it triggered a decline that ultimately saw us lose Lower Mead, homeless for 17 years and drop 5 divisions to the Isthmian Division Three. Barnet on the other hand progressed into the Football League and made it as far as the third tier during that period.

After 10 years of hard work and negotiation, the Stones finally secured planning permission for a new stadium back home in Harrow and work commenced in 2003. But the project began to be hindered by various problems and the building work was halted completely in 2004, when the private company paying the builders (our development partners) went into liquidation, something completely outside of the control of the club. When work stopped the grounds had already been transformed with the extensive outside pitches levelled and a new 3,000 capacity stadium 70% built.

After the council put the site up for tender again - with the condition that the winning bidder must complete the stadium for Wealdstone FC - Barnet FC bid and won on the premise it was to host their training ground and academy. Despite joint press releases and assurances from Barnet and TK that the Stones would have their finished stadium, a commercial deal was proposed that would make it impossible for the Stones to survive in their new ground. And despite assurances that Barnet had no plans to move their first team to the ground, Underhill was eventually sold and Barnet FC moved in lock stock and barrel to a home in Harrow that was meant to be for Wealdstone FC.

It left the Stones having to look elsewhere for security so took over the lease at Grosvenor Vale and in 2013 Barnet made their inevitable switch to PEPF. Since then, the sleeping Stones giant has awoken winning the Ryman League and National League South and reaching 2 FA Trophy semi finals whilst growing average attendances from 300 to around 1,100. Barnet’s move to Harrow has seen them suffer a slow decline with gates plummeting to levels not seen since the 80s and relegation from the Football League back into non-league football.

Both clubs now meet as peers in a ridiculous situation that will see Stones fans travel to an away game to play at a stadium that was meant for our club, back in our traditional home town, against a club who shafted another and now having to play home games away from it’s traditional heartland too. One thing is certain, the away end at The Hive will never have sounded as loud as it will when the Stones are back in town..


Excellent summary, BUTE, I can vouch first hand for much of this.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby Elmslie Ender » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:24 pm

worruz wrote:On reflection and shoot me down if it's nonsense but with hindsight maybe it would have been better to build a basic ground and bar quickly and hope to build it up as we went along?
I know we didn't know the people paying the builders were going to go tits up and if the opportunity to get a decent ground built was there then take it but surely the main thing was getting us in there and playing.

No ones fault as hindsight is 20/20 vision.


TBf Peter, the ground was pretty basic. Two covered ends that are similar in style to the Bulla but across the full width of the pitch and a pretty basic main stand, which, from what I can see, affords little protection to the elements it was so badly designed. Stadia Management made a mess of PEPF and one that we didn't project manage particularly well. Also remember, the council were insistent on the rest of the sight being developed before they would allow us to us the stadium.
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