Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby Elmslie Ender » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:37 pm

Our professional era results against them:

Sat 19 Mar 1988 GM Vauxhall Conference Home L0 - 6 Att: 1556
Sat 28 Nov 1987 GM Vauxhall Conference Away L1 - 5 Att: 2167 English
Mon 20 Apr 1987 GM Vauxhall Conference Home D0 - 0 Att: 1420
Tue 30 Sep 1986 GM Vauxhall Conference Away L1 - 2 Att: 1722 Ragan
Sat 28 Dec 1985 Gola League Away L0 - 1 Att: 907
Sat 30 Nov 1985 Gola League Home W2 - 0 Att 947 Greenaway, Wainwright
Mon 6 May 1985 Gola League Away L0 - 7 Att: 1291
Tue 1 Jan 1985 Gola League Home L1 - 2 Att: 920 A Cordice
Tue 6 Mar 1984 Gola League Away D1 - 1 Att: 768 OG
Tue 10 Jan 1984 Gola League Home W3 - 0 Att: 710 Graves 2 (1P), Greenaway
Tue 13 Dec 1983 Bob Lord Trophy Away W3 - 2 Att: 591 Graves, Johnson, Byatt
Tue 8 Nov 1983 Bob Lord Trophy Home L1 - 3 Att: 719 Johnson
Thu 24 Mar 1983 Alliance Premier League Away D0 - 0 Att: 811
Mon 27 Dec 1982 Alliance Premier League Home W6 - 0 Att: 1242 Graves 2, A Cordice, N Cordice, Johnson, Bowgett (P)
Thu 1 Jan 1981 Alliance Premier League Home W2 - 0 Att: 1080 N Cordice, Bowgett
Fri 26 Dec 1980 Alliance Premier League Away L0 - 3 Att: 969
Tue 8 Jan 1980 Alliance Premier League Home W2 - 1 Att: 651 N Johnson, Wainwright
Wed 26 Dec 1979 Alliance Premier League Away W3 - 1 Att: 841 Cordice, Robinson, Horgan (pen)
Mon 22 Oct 197 9FA Trophy Away L0 - 2 Att: 831
Tue 16 Oct 1979 FA Trophy Home D1 - 1 Att: 701 Cordice
Sat 13 Oct 1979 FA Trophy Away D0 - 0 Att: 899
Tue 27 Feb 1979 Southern League Premier Division Home D1 - 1 Mount
Sat 28 Oct 1978 Southern League Premier Division Away L2 - 3 Att: 858 Moss, Doyle
Tue 26 Sep 1978 Southern League Cup Away L0 - 1 Att: 757
Tue 18 Apr 1978 Southern League Premier Division Away W2 - 1 Duck 2
Tue 27 Dec 1977 Southern League Premier Division Home L1 - 2 Att: 1069 Furphy
Tue 23 Aug 1977 Southern League Cup Away W1 - 0 Att: 1431 Brinkman
Sat 20 Aug 1977 Southern League Cup Home W1 - 0 Att: 988 Duck
Wed 5 Jan 1977 FA Trophy Home L0 - 3 Att: 812
Tue 21 Dec 1976 FA Trophy Away D1 - 1 Att: 549 Lawrence
Tue 24 Aug 1976 Southern League Cup Away L0 - 2 Att: 720
Sat 21 Aug 1976 Southern League Cup Home L0 - 2Att: 963
Mon 31 Mar 1975 Southern League Premier Division Home D1 - 1 Att: 1600 Moss
Thu 26 Dec 1974 Southern League Premier Division Away D1 - 1 Duck
Mon 10 Sep 1973 London Challenge Cup Home W4 - 1 Att: 926 Duck 3 (1 pen), Presland
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby Elmslie Ender » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:43 pm

The away stand holds 1,922. We would probably fill a third of that, which should mean even with social distancing, most people will get in that want to go.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby worruz » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:28 pm

Elmslie Ender wrote:
worruz wrote:On reflection and shoot me down if it's nonsense but with hindsight maybe it would have been better to build a basic ground and bar quickly and hope to build it up as we went along?
I know we didn't know the people paying the builders were going to go tits up and if the opportunity to get a decent ground built was there then take it but surely the main thing was getting us in there and playing.

No ones fault as hindsight is 20/20 vision.


TBf Peter, the ground was pretty basic. Two covered ends that are similar in style to the Bulla but across the full width of the pitch and a pretty basic main stand, which, from what I can see, affords little protection to the elements it was so badly designed. Stadia Management made a mess of PEPF and one that we didn't project manage particularly well. Also remember, the council were insistent on the rest of the sight being developed before they would allow us to us the stadium.

The stand that backed onto the gym, bar etc was bizarre to say the least
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby The Guvnor » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:39 am

For the old school fans its a fixture that will be one of the first pencilled in as a must see. We haven't played each other since 1988 and thats more to do with the clubs being on different trajectories although if you look at both clubs histories you will see that prior to that we've trodden very similar paths.

We are Harrow based playing in Ruislip, they are Barnet based playing in Harrow. Our move has seen us treble our home crowds whereas theirs has dipped quite a bit although I'm not sure how much. Our future will depend on our fan base whereas I think they already know their future will depend on making PEPF a going concern. On a simplistic football level they are nowhere near big enough to exist outside their home town.

The main bone of contention between the clubs next season will of course be what happened over the PEPF debacle. We made mistakes and perhaps were not professional enough in making it happen, and its fair to say a few things went against us outside of our control. However if Barnet wish to believe there was no skullduggery involved in them taking control of the site then thats their perogative and they can bury their heads in the sand all they like but the reality for them is that same person is still running their club and at some point it will be their undoing.

Enough time has passed to reflect on how each club has fared since. Yes, they have a very good facility and perhaps that will sustain them in the future but their fan base will continue to dwindle because one thing is for sure their current locality has no interest in them.

As for us, we are in a football area, an area where many of our fans or lapsed fans live so in that sense it helped moving to Ruislip. We have slowly built up the ground and facilities to something half decent but its not great and of course we have a lease which is fast running out .... again. So our future is less predictable than Barnet's but if the dice rolls right it could be far better.

That is football, they've had their time in the sun, and hopefully ours is on the horizon.

Its a proper derby game, with plenty of local interest and a bit of spice thrown in.

We've not really had that for a very long time so COVID 19 permitting they are 2 games I for one will be looking forward to.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby BornundertheElmslie » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:56 am

The Guvnor wrote:Our move has seen us treble our home crowds whereas theirs has dipped quite a bit although I'm not sure how much.


https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-barnet/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/2804
Huge drop in attendances over recent seasons. In 2018 their average in League 2 was 2,113. This season their average was 1,214.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby 61663 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:35 am

BornundertheElmslie wrote:
The Guvnor wrote:Our move has seen us treble our home crowds whereas theirs has dipped quite a bit although I'm not sure how much.


https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-barnet/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/2804
Huge drop in attendances over recent seasons. In 2018 their average in League 2 was 2,113. This season their average was 1,214.


It would be useful if it was possible to establish the ‘true’ home support which could be extracted from these stats. by deducting the available data recorded for away support .
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby BKK » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:34 pm

BUTEs been a bit cheeky! A bit of copy and paste from my original piece on the article. No matter it should never be forgotten

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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby charlie » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:04 pm

"No matter it should never be forgotten".... says BKK. !!

(Someone personally involved in the project.)

There is an iconic picture around (Harrow Observer)of GB on the newly seeded pitch with the stand/changing rooms in the background .

Look forward to the award winning Home programme against this team.
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby deadly » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:54 pm

I seem to remember in an article in the HO, when asked about the seating due to be fitted on site that TK said that 'the color of the seats at PEPF would be in Wealdstone's color's, as it is their ground, why shouldn't they be?'., shortly after he took control of the site.

I also remember thinking that would be highly unlikely.. ..and of course they never were .
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Re: Stones and Barnet resume rivalries, with a twist

Postby timfparks » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:53 pm

charlie wrote:"No matter it should never be forgotten".... says BKK. !!

(Someone personally involved in the project.)

There is an iconic picture around (Harrow Observer)of GB on the newly seeded pitch with the stand/changing rooms in the background .

Look forward to the award winning Home programme against this team.


Rest assured Charlie. The programme team are looking forward to getting our teeth into quite a few articles as we renew acquaintance with many traditional rivals this coming season... not least Barnet. And Nick and Darren will get their name checks as we attempt to temper anger and frustration with a powerful and professional ethic. I have my own views on the pointlessly oversized Hive and that programme will be one to remember (assuming the league allow us to publish one this season)
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