Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby Royal Blue » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:46 pm

timfparks wrote:I tend to agree that the loss of three central defenders has turned a recoverable situation into a virtually untenable one.

I think we’ll have to reorganise in the summer, recruit from what will be a big pool of NL footballers and look forward to being really competitive at this level.


Yes, we'd love that but what we are talking through is how do we finish this season without doing real financial damage to the club, thereby hindering next season?

Surely we need a grant, we furlough and/or cease. In the case of the latter we'd need to swerve severe sanction.

Given the club's statements around loans, what are the other options?
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby 61663 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:30 pm

Royal Blue wrote:
timfparks wrote:I tend to agree that the loss of three central defenders has turned a recoverable situation into a virtually untenable one.

I think we’ll have to reorganise in the summer, recruit from what will be a big pool of NL footballers and look forward to being really competitive at this level.


Yes, we'd love that but what we are talking through is how do we finish this season without doing real financial damage to the club, thereby hindering next season?

Surely we need a grant, we furlough and/or cease. In the case of the latter we'd need to swerve severe sanction.

Given the club's statements around loans, what are the other options?


Whilst the club undoubtedly finds itself stuck on the horns of an apparently insurmountable financial dilemma, it has not unilaterally ruled out taking a loan.

The Chairman wishes to avoidtaking on a debt that it may not be able to afford. Again it depends on how much needs to be covered to ensure a future existentialist crisis does not arise, if the club decides it has no option but to apply for a loan.

Furlough (JRS) is not a freebie cost to the club. The club is liable for 20% of eligible wages plus NIC costs making a total of approx one third of the wage bill. Some players such as Meekings can’t be furloughed as he was signed after the end of October. Also it seems that the JRS will be re-extended - but not necessarily on existing terms- to continue after the current end of April date. If this is the case, it makes increasing the numbers to be furloughed more likely.

Nobody has a clue (yet) of the criteria to be used by the ‘Independent Panel’ in judging what actually constitutes eligibility for the elusive ‘silver bullet’ - the ‘exceptional grant’. No doubt every single NL/ NLN / NLS - possibly with the exception of yesterday’s opponents - will be dreaming of a successful application for this award.

So instead of KTF, KBO
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby Stoney Ground » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:15 pm

Reasoned post by 61663, regards Josh Meekings I don’t think he was on contract so at present will not be costing the club.

It is difficult for the board to make decisions when there are so many variables, they must allow Stuart to manage the side the best he can. It is still possible to get another couple of loan players in, and if we can do that at zero cost to the club then that may mean furloughing another one or two.

Only 2 players were in the squad yesterday that weren’t with us at the start of the season Askew and Dalling, the later making his first appearance off the bench yesterday.

We have been poor defensively at times it is collectively and others times it is individual errors, but recently against Torquay and Eastleigh it looked like we had solved a couple of issues.

Torquay we have a back four of Olowu, Langston, Cawley and Okimo. Balanced 2 right footed, 2 left footed and Jerome in his best position.

Sutton Oluwo, Okimo, Cawley and Wishart. Lacks balance as Langston is injured, 2 left footed centre half’s and Wishart at left back who has not played many minutes.

Eastleigh Oluwo, Meekings, Cawley and Okimo. So again we have balance as per Torquay with Meekings giving s experience and I think both Oluwo and Cawley looked better with him there. Oluwo slots in to right centre half when Meekings is injured, which is apparently his favoured and best position.

And at Wrexham we are back to square one Effete, Phillips, Cawley and Okimo. Balanced but a back four that has not been up to standard previously but with no real options what can the management do.

Continually letting in goals is down to a number of things, but not having a settled balanced back four is one of the most obvious reasons.
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby attic » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:48 pm

Why the hell do we get so many injuries in defence?? Bad luck? pressure on the back line?
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby Stoney Ground » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:09 pm

attic wrote:Why the hell do we get so many injuries?? Bad luck? pressure on the back line?


Lack of games at intensity, though Meekings was an impact injury. Players unable to do gym sessions in between matches training. With midweek games you are left with one session to do shape of play, set pieces so even they can’t be devoted to fitness.
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby Ronnie » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:36 pm

61663 wrote:Furlough (JRS) is not a freebie cost to the club. The club is liable for 20% of eligible wages plus NIC costs making a total of approx one third of the wage bill.


Not true, not liable for 20%, only the NIC, unless the club agree to top up.
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby Ronnie » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:51 am

Stoney Ground wrote:Reasoned post by 61663, regards Josh Meekings I don’t think he was on contract so at present will not be costing the club.

It is difficult for the board to make decisions when there are so many variables, they must allow Stuart to manage the side the best he can. It is still possible to get another couple of loan players in, and if we can do that at zero cost to the club then that may mean furloughing another one or two.

Only 2 players were in the squad yesterday that weren’t with us at the start of the season Askew and Dalling, the later making his first appearance off the bench yesterday.

We have been poor defensively at times it is collectively and others times it is individual errors, but recently against Torquay and Eastleigh it looked like we had solved a couple of issues.

Torquay we have a back four of Olowu, Langston, Cawley and Okimo. Balanced 2 right footed, 2 left footed and Jerome in his best position.

Sutton Oluwo, Okimo, Cawley and Wishart. Lacks balance as Langston is injured, 2 left footed centre half’s and Wishart at left back who has not played many minutes.

Eastleigh Oluwo, Meekings, Cawley and Okimo. So again we have balance as per Torquay with Meekings giving s experience and I think both Oluwo and Cawley looked better with him there. Oluwo slots in to right centre half when Meekings is injured, which is apparently his favoured and best position.

And at Wrexham we are back to square one Effete, Phillips, Cawley and Okimo. Balanced but a back four that has not been up to standard previously but with no real options what can the management do.

Continually letting in goals is down to a number of things, but not having a settled balanced back four is one of the most obvious reasons.


Well said. The highlights do make uncomfortable viewing, the goals conceded are horrible. Most players have a level, and for some this is a level too high, see Guvnor's comments re last summer. But to dismiss them all as useless or crapsters is just ridiculous and insulting.
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby The Guvnor » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:04 pm

Ronnie wrote:But to dismiss them all as useless or crapsters is just ridiculous and insulting.


In a lot of cases its not the players fault, they shouldn't be playing at this level and having just watched the highlights I'm actually starting to feel sorry for some of them. With the odd exception they are trying hard but are just not up to it. Confidence looks as though its at rock bottom and the wins that might change that are unlikely. The blame lies with the manager who believed these players could do it in the NL. Poor judgement and a lack of knowledge for the level.
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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby Royal Blue » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:07 pm

Watched the highlights - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWIMRQLkKr0

3 defensive howlers - goals 2,3 & 4. The defensive injury crisis is a real shame as you can see the joy when we scored. That was good to see.

As Sam Cox was so fond of saying - 'we go again tomorrow'.

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Re: Losing 4-1 at Wrexham

Postby Stoney Ground » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:18 pm

Royal Blue wrote:Watched the highlights - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWIMRQLkKr0

3 defensive howlers - goals 2,3 & 4. The defensive injury crisis is a real shame as you can see the joy when we scored. That was good to see.

As Sam Cox was so fond of saying - 'we go again tomorrow'.

Derby.


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